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		<title>By: Speedy Relocation &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pain and Loss of Losing a Franchise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Speedy Relocation &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pain and Loss of Losing a Franchise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 05:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Missourimike</title>
		<link>http://illegalcurve.com/2009/05/07/pain-and-loss-of-losing-a-franchise/comment-page-1/#comment-1647</link>
		<dc:creator>Missourimike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 22:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We here in Missouri are stuck.  NHL franchises use the Sprint Center as leverage in negotiations (see Pittsburgh Penguins and now New York Islanders). 

Paul McGannon of NHL21 seems intent on bringing NHL hockey to KC but aside from some lip service no teams are forthcoming.

Could KC support the NHL?  Its the largest city in Missouri with a metro area of over two million.

Perhaps its time to revive the Kansas City Scouts!  You didn&#039;t mention them in your list of teams that have gone on to win the Cup but they became the Rockies who obviously became the Devils.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We here in Missouri are stuck.  NHL franchises use the Sprint Center as leverage in negotiations (see Pittsburgh Penguins and now New York Islanders). </p>
<p>Paul McGannon of NHL21 seems intent on bringing NHL hockey to KC but aside from some lip service no teams are forthcoming.</p>
<p>Could KC support the NHL?  Its the largest city in Missouri with a metro area of over two million.</p>
<p>Perhaps its time to revive the Kansas City Scouts!  You didn&#8217;t mention them in your list of teams that have gone on to win the Cup but they became the Rockies who obviously became the Devils.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 15:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would agree that Seattle or Portland as far as location seems to make sense as it adds an NHL city between Cali and BC.  Could make the West Coast road trips a little less onerous on the East Coast teams that make the trek down.

But in terms of suitability as NHL cities I haven&#039;t a clue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree that Seattle or Portland as far as location seems to make sense as it adds an NHL city between Cali and BC.  Could make the West Coast road trips a little less onerous on the East Coast teams that make the trek down.</p>
<p>But in terms of suitability as NHL cities I haven&#8217;t a clue.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
		<link>http://illegalcurve.com/2009/05/07/pain-and-loss-of-losing-a-franchise/comment-page-1/#comment-1630</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 13:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that Key Arena is out dated and not a viable revenue generator as all arenas in 2009 need to be. The lack of luxury boxes and other such amenities is what drove the Supersonics to that hot-bead of sporting action Oklahoma City.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Key Arena is out dated and not a viable revenue generator as all arenas in 2009 need to be. The lack of luxury boxes and other such amenities is what drove the Supersonics to that hot-bead of sporting action Oklahoma City.</p>
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		<title>By: saucerpass</title>
		<link>http://illegalcurve.com/2009/05/07/pain-and-loss-of-losing-a-franchise/comment-page-1/#comment-1629</link>
		<dc:creator>saucerpass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 10:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seattle actually has an arena that they could use right now. Key Arena, where the sonics used to play, can be turned into a hockey arena and seat a shade over 15,000. It would still be the smallest arena in the league, but only by 1,000 or so.

Is there really a market for a hockey team in Kansas City? It seems like essentially putting 2 teams in Missouri could be a bad idea. Granted, putting a team in Seattle has its proximity with Vancouver, however, like Drew said, there is a void in that market right now, and it certainly would give fan in Washington, Oregon and potentially Northern California an American team to root for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seattle actually has an arena that they could use right now. Key Arena, where the sonics used to play, can be turned into a hockey arena and seat a shade over 15,000. It would still be the smallest arena in the league, but only by 1,000 or so.</p>
<p>Is there really a market for a hockey team in Kansas City? It seems like essentially putting 2 teams in Missouri could be a bad idea. Granted, putting a team in Seattle has its proximity with Vancouver, however, like Drew said, there is a void in that market right now, and it certainly would give fan in Washington, Oregon and potentially Northern California an American team to root for.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 05:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[See Saucer I view Kansas City as the best option in the sense that they apparently have this fantastic new Arena which is just waiting for a tenant.  They would also have an instant rivalry with the Blues unless the NHL did something similar to MLB and put one in the West and the other in the East.

Seattle on the other hand as Drew says would have to fund an arena and with all the closings at Starbucks lately I just don&#039;t see that happening.  All kidding aside they could have quite the little triangle if they built a hockey arena right beside Safeco and Qwest Field.  I just don&#039;t see it happening too soon.  I will say this though, having attended a Seattle Mariners game, they make some of the best kettle corn I&#039;ve ever had.

While they might seek a bailout Goon I&#039;m not sure they would qualify as the Obama Administration has placed special emphasis on transparency and accountability for recipients of federal money and we know how good the NHL is with being transparent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See Saucer I view Kansas City as the best option in the sense that they apparently have this fantastic new Arena which is just waiting for a tenant.  They would also have an instant rivalry with the Blues unless the NHL did something similar to MLB and put one in the West and the other in the East.</p>
<p>Seattle on the other hand as Drew says would have to fund an arena and with all the closings at Starbucks lately I just don&#8217;t see that happening.  All kidding aside they could have quite the little triangle if they built a hockey arena right beside Safeco and Qwest Field.  I just don&#8217;t see it happening too soon.  I will say this though, having attended a Seattle Mariners game, they make some of the best kettle corn I&#8217;ve ever had.</p>
<p>While they might seek a bailout Goon I&#8217;m not sure they would qualify as the Obama Administration has placed special emphasis on transparency and accountability for recipients of federal money and we know how good the NHL is with being transparent.</p>
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		<title>By: goon</title>
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		<dc:creator>goon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 04:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I say this tounge in cheek but I don&#039;t see why the Yotes don&#039;t try to get a government bail out everyone else is getting one. It would do more for the city of Phoenix than some of the other frivolous spending the government has been doing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say this tounge in cheek but I don&#8217;t see why the Yotes don&#8217;t try to get a government bail out everyone else is getting one. It would do more for the city of Phoenix than some of the other frivolous spending the government has been doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 02:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seattle is an interesting case, especially since they lost the Supersonics. There is a void in the sports market there, but I suspect the arena issues are too large to overcome. If they wouldn&#039;t build an arena for their beloved basketball team, why would they for hockey?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seattle is an interesting case, especially since they lost the Supersonics. There is a void in the sports market there, but I suspect the arena issues are too large to overcome. If they wouldn&#8217;t build an arena for their beloved basketball team, why would they for hockey?</p>
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		<title>By: saucerpass</title>
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		<dc:creator>saucerpass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 02:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s incredible to see the trend of teams who relocate that end up bringing home a cup at some point. 

You hate to see franchises fold, however, you have to think that Phoenix&#039;s economy will still survive without the Coyotes. They still have a football, baseball and basketball team. Plus they draw for NASCAR racing events and baseball spring training. I&#039;m going to try and remain somewhat of a realist in this situation and say the support for hockey in the desert just may not be there. The &#039;Yotes were 29th in the league last year in attendance, and while I enjoy the upside of the Phoenix franchise, it may be time to move. No sense pouring millions upon millions into a franchise where the support won&#039;t generate enough revenue to at least break even.

Had Phoenix won a Stanley Cup over the past 10 years, or made significant pushes into the playoffs, it may be a different story all together. It&#039;s tough to find support for a franchise that has been a preverbal money pit for owners.

I also would like to say that I&#039;m not in favor of putting a team in southern Ontario. While rivalries will certainly develop between Buffalo and Toronto, it seems like an awfully cluttered situation. Especially if the proposed 2nd team in Toronto gets the go ahead as well (that&#039;s another post all together). 4 teams all within 2 hours of one another? Please. It sorta works in New York/New Jersey; don&#039;t press your luck.

This open up discussions about other possible relocation options. Seattle could be a possibly location. Kansas City and Winnipeg are also options (albeit further back than Seattle at this point).
I guess it requires some serious thought, but what location would be most profitable for a new NHL franchise?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s incredible to see the trend of teams who relocate that end up bringing home a cup at some point. </p>
<p>You hate to see franchises fold, however, you have to think that Phoenix&#8217;s economy will still survive without the Coyotes. They still have a football, baseball and basketball team. Plus they draw for NASCAR racing events and baseball spring training. I&#8217;m going to try and remain somewhat of a realist in this situation and say the support for hockey in the desert just may not be there. The &#8216;Yotes were 29th in the league last year in attendance, and while I enjoy the upside of the Phoenix franchise, it may be time to move. No sense pouring millions upon millions into a franchise where the support won&#8217;t generate enough revenue to at least break even.</p>
<p>Had Phoenix won a Stanley Cup over the past 10 years, or made significant pushes into the playoffs, it may be a different story all together. It&#8217;s tough to find support for a franchise that has been a preverbal money pit for owners.</p>
<p>I also would like to say that I&#8217;m not in favor of putting a team in southern Ontario. While rivalries will certainly develop between Buffalo and Toronto, it seems like an awfully cluttered situation. Especially if the proposed 2nd team in Toronto gets the go ahead as well (that&#8217;s another post all together). 4 teams all within 2 hours of one another? Please. It sorta works in New York/New Jersey; don&#8217;t press your luck.</p>
<p>This open up discussions about other possible relocation options. Seattle could be a possibly location. Kansas City and Winnipeg are also options (albeit further back than Seattle at this point).<br />
I guess it requires some serious thought, but what location would be most profitable for a new NHL franchise?</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 01:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cali, while technically you are right and that the Barons never won the Cup they merged into the North Stars who became the Stars who won the Cup so while it wasn&#039;t the next incarnation that won, eventually down the line they did.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cali, while technically you are right and that the Barons never won the Cup they merged into the North Stars who became the Stars who won the Cup so while it wasn&#8217;t the next incarnation that won, eventually down the line they did.</p>
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		<title>By: Calihockey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calihockey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 00:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The California Golden Seals never won the Cup and they became the Cleveland Barons.

I do agree though that its tough to lose a team.  Having grown up a fan of the Hartford Whalers its tough to see the city of Hartford without the NHL.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The California Golden Seals never won the Cup and they became the Cleveland Barons.</p>
<p>I do agree though that its tough to lose a team.  Having grown up a fan of the Hartford Whalers its tough to see the city of Hartford without the NHL.</p>
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		<title>By: goon</title>
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		<dc:creator>goon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 00:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I miss the Winnepeg Jets being in Grand Forks, ND we were 150 miles away from the NHL. Now this debacle is becoming a side show when we should be talking about the Stanley Cup Playoffs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I miss the Winnepeg Jets being in Grand Forks, ND we were 150 miles away from the NHL. Now this debacle is becoming a side show when we should be talking about the Stanley Cup Playoffs.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 23:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I was in the crowd that afternoon, this is the first time I have ever seen the full video that includes Eddie O&#039;s legendary words. Wow, I am speechless. Especially at how young Teemu is. Bad memories, but great post Dave.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I was in the crowd that afternoon, this is the first time I have ever seen the full video that includes Eddie O&#8217;s legendary words. Wow, I am speechless. Especially at how young Teemu is. Bad memories, but great post Dave.</p>
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